Ice Dams

Ice Dam | Leak in new addition

Saturday, 09 January 2010 22:53

Finding a winter roof leak due to ice dams on a slate roof.

 

Ice dam roof leak on a new addition.This leak is showing up on the ceiling of the main house below the upper arrow and in between the lower arrows (pointing to the interior french doors connecting the main house to addition)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some comments from professional roofers.

Axiom;

I am guessing that it is building up in the gutter and getting under perimeter metal.  Joe Sherwood Roofing   N. Michigan


 

Shangle Nailer;

I think it is a leak from an ice damn on the rear eaves of the main house. Getting in the wall up there and showing above the interior door into the addition. never shown before because there was no additon!   Richmond VA.


 

Rosco;

If there is a vapor barrier above deck it could be from the wall, I suppose. The skylight is not the source? Oshkosh WI.  Lakewood Roofing, Inc.


 

Tinner 666;

I see scads of ice around that DS and molding, and running down the wall. You haven't said it getting into the top of the window, just on the floor, I assume below and to the side of it.
Water seems to coming through the fascia from the BIG, at the DS, so I guess it's coming through the wall there.  Central Virginia  Albert's Specialty Roofing


 

Cerberus;

Was the weep system in the exterior brick-masonry wall covered up? Not that it would be the cause of a leak over the French doors, but certainly could show up along interior walls now.
Ice damming along gutter is a possibility, as is condensation dripping from the skylight. 

Is that built-in gutter that feeds that downspout? If so, I suspect they are frozen solid, and water has begun to back up and leak along the walls. And it also looks like there may be a water-table involved.     Houston Texas


 

jwoolfsroofing;

I'm guessing that the leak originates at dormer window(2nd floor)and runs between brick and framed wall and showing up on 1st floor ceiling where opening is to addition.   Barberton  Ohio   www.woolfsroofing.com


 Source of ice dam roof leak over new room addition.

As noted by some above, the source of the ice dam leak is the built in gutter and it's downspout. The gutter, eave and roof are warmed by the heat escaping from a poorly insulated house. The water from melting snow runs down the cold downspout and freezes into a solid block of ice inside the downspout. Having nowhere to go, the water in the gutter backs up and out of the seam of the gutters outlet / downspout connection. It then finds it's way behind and into the space between the exterior brick wall and interior plaster wall and comes out at the interior ceiling and new addition entry way.

This could have been prevented if the gutter outlet had been fabricated and installed to extend all the way through and below the soffit. There would still be a problem with ice in and backing out of the lowered outlet / downspout seam, but the water would be running down the outside of the house and not leaking inside.

 

 Gutter downspout leak caused by ice dam.

 Built in gutter outlet / downspout connection joint inside the house soffit.



 

Last Updated on Wednesday, 13 January 2010 17:32
 

Ice Dam Protection

Sunday, 03 January 2010 22:22

Ice dam leak prevention. Installing soldered copper roof flashing to prevent water leaks due to ice and water backup at the roof edge.

 Copper flashing installed in roof valley to prevent ice dam leaks.

Last Updated on Sunday, 03 January 2010 22:41
 

Poor Design and Ice Problems

Tuesday, 29 December 2009 22:56

Ice Dams and water backup leaks caused by poor roof and building design.

 

Poor building design is often the cause of ice dams and the resulting roof leaks. Houses are often designed with little to no overhang at the eaves of the house. Without an adequate overhang there is no room to install the needed vents at the soffit. The best soffit ventilation is usually continuous strip vents installed the length of the roof eaves. Small round plug style vents and larger louvered vents cut and installed between roof rafters can work well but are often insufficient.The house pictured below has some overhang but little space to install venting. The overhang is mostly taken up by mouldings and trim work.

The design of the roof, with the large gable valley ending close to a small dormer, also adds to the problem.  This area is a perfect trap for both snow drifts to occur, and for snow from the upper roof areas sliding down and condensing into one small area.

 

Poor roof design and ice dams

ddd

Short soffit area contributing to ice dams

Last Updated on Tuesday, 29 December 2009 23:49
 

Porch roof vent

Tuesday, 29 December 2009 21:14

Preventing ice dams by installing knee wall vents above porch roof.

 This past winter, the porch roof shown here was covered in snow and ice in the gutter and on the lower edge of the roof. The ice buildup was causing water to back up under the roof slate and into the interior.

Last Updated on Tuesday, 29 December 2009 23:38
 

Ice Dam Leaks

Thursday, 22 October 2009 00:55

Ice Dams and Roof Leaks near Cleveland, Ohio

Repair and Prevention of Ice Dams
Roof and Attic Ventilation

These are some typical examples of ice damming and the resulting roof leaks from houses located  near Cleveland and Northeast Ohio.

Ice dams are usually caused by a couple different factors all working together at the same time.
Warm attic space and sun induced snow melt on the roof will cause water to run down the roof to the cold eaves of the house. Where the water meets the cold roof edge it freezes and builds up into an ice dam causing a pool of water. Eventually this water finds it's way under the roofing and into the house.

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This picture shows the pool of water that has gathered at the bottom of a slate roof valley (the area where two roof pitches meet) just above the gutter near the interior wall of the house.
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For the first 60-70 years since this house was built, that leaking water would have been kept out of the house by the roofing underlayment. Usually heavy, 30lb or heavier, roofing tar paper. Over time that tar paper has dried out and deteriorated to such an extent that it is now powder under the slate.
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Steps to relieve leaking from ice dams and water backup.

The immediate cause of ice dam leaks is snow buildup on the roof that has begun to melt for various reasons and pool behind ice buildup at the roof eave.

Remove the excess snow in the vicinity of the leaking area first.

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Use a snow shovel, or for better results and safety, use a snow rake. A large piece of sheet aluminum attached to a long handle. Remove the snow to one or two inches above the roofing material. Be careful not to dig into or catch and damage the roofing material. You could make the leak much worse.

Remove the ice dam to allow the water to drain from the roof.

Using a small sharp ax, cut a path or channel for the water to drain from behind the ice dam. This is the dangerous part and should only be attempted by an experienced and patient roofer who is comfortable on a ladder. It is very easy to get carried away and chop through the ice into the shingles or guttering. Safety glasses should be worn to protect from flying ice chips. It is not necessary to remove the remaining ice from the eave. It will eventually melt. It can also be dangerous as heavy falling ice chunks can easily damage surrounding shrubs or knock a ladder off kilter causing a fall.

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Melt the ice around the gutter.

Do not use a torch!

Spread some sidewalk ice melting granules in and around the ice dam area. This works fairly quickly and you will soon have a clear path for the remaining water melting off the roof to follow.

 

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Install a temporary ice and snow heating cable.

If you expect more snow and possibility of ice damming, and the remaining roof and gutter are still full of ice, you can temporarily wrap a heating cable around the gutter and a short ways up the cleared ice dam channel. Run the cable around the downspout or to the ground so the water will not freeze at the roof or gutter line.

Repair and prevention of ice dams

Once the interior insulation and ventilation issues are dealt with, the exterior problems need to be addressed.

Many ice dams and leaks are relegated to a small part of the roof.

Valleys, where two roof pitches meet, are usually the most vulnerable. The opposing slopes reflect the sun and heat towards each other and make for natural heat collectors that melt the snow faster. The water then runs down the center of the valley flashing and into the gutter. Usually the water will be warm enough to run partially down the downspout before it starts to freeze. As the ice fills the downspout and then the gutter, it begins to pool and back up the roof.
Low sloping shed roofs are also prime targets. These are usually neglected when installing insulation and ventilation and are subject to more snow buildup.

This is the area where ice and water shield is most important. Depending on how severe the ice dam is, the roofing material in the valley area will need to be removed to the decking and the ice shield installed. There are many brands of ice and water shield. I am partial to the Grace product. It was the first product, in a manufactured form, and is still one of the best. Before ice and water shield membrane roofers would install layers of roofing felt sealed to the roof with plastic roof cement to prevent the ice dams. Ice shield installed two to three feet past the interior wall is usually enough to take care of most leaks. If the snow fall and buildup is severe, more should be installed.

 Photos and information by Dennis M. Crookshanks Construction Inc. Slate and Copper Roof Restoration and Repair
                    Serving Greater Cleveland, Cleveland Hts., Shaker Hts., Lakewood, Bratenahl and Northeast Ohio. 440 285-3200

Last Updated on Monday, 04 January 2010 00:13
 


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